Its about time those of us who have good connections shouldn't be punished for laggers in this game.  Remove lag compensation.  Kill it off.  No form of it left.  I'm tired of dying to laggers.  I'm tired of lagging because of laggers.  Anyone who lags in this game gets a siginificant advantage.  They're harder to hit.

Seriously, [filtered] lag compensation.  And [filtered] this game if they keep this [filtered].

I agree. Since I know of Lag compenstation I carefully watched out for laggers and how it effects the gameplay.

And I really see now that some ppl who I thought were cheating just lag.

Maybe now I only have to call them exploiters, because some rly seem to "use" the feature very well.

I mean, I know no other online game were ppl with a red ping can be top 1 in a game with +20 kills from the rest.

And wow, if u try shoot them u get hit before u even see one bullet coming out of the enemies weapon.

Lately I had an issue were my opponent fired past me (I could clearly see the shots) like 1 meter and still I got hit (no other ppl arround).

Its also VERY hard to dodge their knife attacks because u get hit even earlier before the animation plays.

Might be some of that issues have nothing to do with the lag compensation, but they all happened with ppl haven red or orange ping or whose green ping dropped from time to time.

the lag compensation was a good meant feature but got abused by people doing this at will, all the other people with connection problems now have to suffer from this few again ...

i also have sometimes connection problems about yellow or red bar, but with these evoulution (of course i can not say if they cause the lag to get a advantage or not) i also wote to at least reduce it or take it of but then please also do something about connection problems caused serverside ...

People have been asking to remove lag compensation for months. If vogster really give a sh%t, they'd have removed it already. Besides, why would they remove it ? Considering that most of their player base is either russian or brazilian who by the way benifit the most from lag. If you have good ping and still want to play this game , pick up an smg, and spray it. That's the only way to kill a lagger. And never try to knife a player with yellow and red ping, you'll look like an idiot by missing your jump knife by a good yard. If you don't want to adapt, well there are better MMOs on the horizon like firefall.

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As said many times before, if u experience any1 "lagging" he have the same experience against you. That's how lag compensation works. It doesn't give him "godlike" mode where he can hit much better than someone with better ping.

And that's better than it be a battle of who have the lowest ping, as that makes the game truly unfair.
Better go play single player until the day every1 have 1gbit internet, if u don't like how online games works

Quote | Gladjolt posted on Jan 13 2012 04:37 AM UTC

As said many times before, if u experience any1 "lagging" he have the same experience against you. That's how lag compensation works. It doesn't give him "godlike" mode where he can hit much better than someone with better ping.

And that's better than it be a battle of who have the lowest ping, as that makes the game truly unfair.
Better go play single player until the day every1 have 1gbit internet, if u don't like how online games works

You logic doesnt add up. 

"And that's better than it be a battle of who have the lowest ping, as that makes the game truly unfair."

No, punishing others for your poor internet is truely unfair. If you have a poor internet connection, YOU should be the one who suffers. This is more fair than giving you an advantage over those with a good connection. It's a good idea on paper, but it doesnt work in execution, everyone is ok with those with the lowest ping have the greatest advantage, making it to where those with the worst connections have the advantage doesn't make the game fair, it makes it too frustrating to play for 'true' gamers, true gamers insure they have a good internet connection, but they do not get that advantage in crimecraft, they get lag raped for it.

Last Edited on: Jan 13 2012 05:07 AM UTC (131 Days ago)

i never thought it was that big of an issue. I have noticed that ill get some bad laggers in a match or 2 a day. Ill hit them dead on with shotgun and none of it registers but when i switch to smg and spray my bullets thats seems to do the trick as earth mentioned up above.

I have FIOS and my max download speed is 3.5 MB's a sec but in game some days i can be green ping all day and others ill be yellow to red i dont get it.

Last Edited on: Jan 13 2012 09:42 AM UTC (131 Days ago)

Quote | rich1051414 posted on Jan 12 2012 09:07 PM UTC

Quote | Gladjolt posted on Jan 13 2012 04:37 AM UTC

As said many times before, if u experience any1 "lagging" he have the same experience against you. That's how lag compensation works. It doesn't give him "godlike" mode where he can hit much better than someone with better ping.

And that's better than it be a battle of who have the lowest ping, as that makes the game truly unfair.
Better go play single player until the day every1 have 1gbit internet, if u don't like how online games works

You logic doesnt add up. 

"And that's better than it be a battle of who have the lowest ping, as that makes the game truly unfair."

No, punishing others for your poor internet is truely unfair. If you have a poor internet connection, YOU should be the one who suffers. This is more fair than giving you an advantage over those with a good connection. It's a good idea on paper, but it doesnt work in execution, everyone is ok with those with the lowest ping have the greatest advantage, making it to where those with the worst connections have the advantage doesn't make the game fair, it makes it too frustrating to play for 'true' gamers, true gamers insure they have a good internet connection, but they do not get that advantage in crimecraft, they get lag raped for it.

So you think it would be fair for the players in south america and austalia if they had no lag compensation at all while USA had really good connection to the server?

Maybe works in counterstrike with thousands of servers, but not in a game like this where all players is on the same server.

"This is more fair than giving you an advantage over those with a good connection." That's something that doesn't make sense because those with lag sure don't have advantage. Didn't you say so yourself after you visited EU? That being the lagger is horrible?

You don't know a [filtered] about true gamers, those know that there will always be some kind of delay (lag) when playing online games and are accepting that. What you are talking about is players who play singleplayer games were there never is any delay.

Anyways with my 100mbit fiber optic it's a pleasure to play on both US and EU Maybe because i have fiber optic the hit detection works excellent for me, as it's far more stable than ADSL.
When i was on ADSL first shot never registered even if it was a sure hit...also don't use wireless...

You think the other person experiences the same as me?   LOL... delusional.  I too don't lag a bit on either US or EU servers.  The only way to effectively fight against laggers is to spray like shroom said.  This is a shooter, you shouldn't have to spray and pray.  But thats the only way.

They get to play at the same latency.  My latency gets lagged for their benefit.  How is that the same experience?  It isn't.

Laggers still hit you for like a second after you get behind a wall or sufficient cover.  Its just fkng dumb.  You spectate a lagger and they're not on target but get hits.  It makes the game bad.

If a lagger pops out from a corner on you, they have just enough extra time to aim and shoot you before you can possibly react.  You have to know a lagger is coming to get the first shot in.

And between every match your latency is going to be different.  You can never get used to it because its always changing.  Today I played a game where my team was all green and opponent team did not have 1 single guy with green bars.  Today I've played like 5 games and like 20/23 people I played against were all laggers.  You can tell how much this affects the game and its population because people with good connections DON'T PLAY GAMES WITH LAG COMPENSATION.

HOW MANY PEOPLE QUIT BECAUSE OF LAG COMPENSATION I WONDER...  Its pathetic.  This game could be real good but lag compensation and more so the amount of laggers ruin it for everyone else.

Quote | Gladjolt posted on Jan 13 2012 02:18 AM UTC

Quote | rich1051414 posted on Jan 12 2012 09:07 PM UTC

Quote | Gladjolt posted on Jan 13 2012 04:37 AM UTC

As said many times before, if u experience any1 "lagging" he have the same experience against you. That's how lag compensation works. It doesn't give him "godlike" mode where he can hit much better than someone with better ping.

And that's better than it be a battle of who have the lowest ping, as that makes the game truly unfair.
Better go play single player until the day every1 have 1gbit internet, if u don't like how online games works

You logic doesnt add up. 

"And that's better than it be a battle of who have the lowest ping, as that makes the game truly unfair."

No, punishing others for your poor internet is truely unfair. If you have a poor internet connection, YOU should be the one who suffers. This is more fair than giving you an advantage over those with a good connection. It's a good idea on paper, but it doesnt work in execution, everyone is ok with those with the lowest ping have the greatest advantage, making it to where those with the worst connections have the advantage doesn't make the game fair, it makes it too frustrating to play for 'true' gamers, true gamers insure they have a good internet connection, but they do not get that advantage in crimecraft, they get lag raped for it.

So you think it would be fair for the players in south america and austalia if they had no lag compensation at all while USA had really good connection to the server?

Maybe works in counterstrike with thousands of servers, but not in a game like this where all players is on the same server.

"This is more fair than giving you an advantage over those with a good connection." That's something that doesn't make sense because those with lag sure don't have advantage. Didn't you say so yourself after you visited EU? That being the lagger is horrible?

You don't know a [filtered] about true gamers, those know that there will always be some kind of delay (lag) when playing online games and are accepting that. What you are talking about is players who play singleplayer games were there never is any delay.

Anyways with my 100mbit fiber optic it's a pleasure to play on both US and EU Maybe because i have fiber optic the hit detection works excellent for me, as it's far more stable than ADSL.
When i was on ADSL first shot never registered even if it was a sure hit...also don't use wireless...

Tell your ISP to give you a better infrastructure.  In fact, just don't play if you cannot get a good connection.  You think it would be unfair for you if there is no lag compensation?  Don't play.  End of story.  Don't give me a 200+ ping because your poor [filtered] country cannot afford to put in the infrastructure to play on US servers.   I connect great to US and EU servers because my country and my ISPs are capable of providing a superior connection and I pay well for it.  Yet I gotta get lagged because some third world [filtered].