We all know how hard it was to used Cabrese AR, this GW update have increase the damage of the Cabrese while lowered it's ROF.

As much as it's seems to be great to have the Cabrese damage increase by about 8-12 damage, the ROF was greatly reduces to the extend where it is extremely hard to be utilize.

In a high level match where most player owns a DIS ability, this AR was almost impossible to take them down if you miss even a single shot.

Yeah!! The damage is great enough to take down a full health enemy with 3 shot if using the right boost and skills combination, but the slow ROF allowed DIS user to pop medkit for a quick counter-attack if you miss a single shot. In other word, it have 0 tolerances to missing.

Probably most of you would say "Click faster" or "Aim better", but take into consideration that this is online games and lag are bound to happen. When lag occur, no matter how beautiful your shot is; your shot could still miss cause the shot goes unregistered.

Right now the Cabrese work moderately in low/mid level match, but it is almost impossible to be used at high level match. Just look at the number of Cabrese user at high level match, I don't even see anybody using Cabrese at all.

Back at the old stats, you can still pretty much see 1 or even 2 Cabrese user.

The Problem is not the Cabrese AR. I used it and it is quite fun. The only thing which is limiting the fun is the fact, that there is no class with Cabrese AR :(

I would suggest to exchange the SG1 of Outlaw with Cabrese AR.

The Problem is the overpowered DIS/Medkit combination.

And the fact that a frenzy (OP too)-boosted Rask LMG can easily outgun every AR/SR inlcuding especially the Cabrese AR.

 Does anyone even use the cabrese? I remember never seeing any Cabrese after the moat even pre-Gang War but now since they've boosted the damage ive seen alot more cabrese users. 

Quote | sandnix posted on Dec 23 2011 09:33 AM UTC

The Problem is not the Cabrese AR. I used it and it is quite fun. The only thing which is limiting the fun is the fact, that there is no class with Cabrese AR :(

I would suggest to exchange the SG1 of Outlaw with Cabrese AR.

The Problem is the overpowered DIS/Medkit combination.

And the fact that a frenzy (OP too)-boosted Rask LMG can easily outgun every AR/SR inlcuding especially the Cabrese AR.

DIS are indeed OP. But even without DIS, almost all high level player can survive 3 shot from Cabrese due to high resistant and if they are quick enough to dodge at least 1 bullet from it; they can inject themselves with Rejuva or Medkit boost and launch counter attack immediately. Of course, this technique without DIS are harder and only can be done by experiences high level player.

Right now this weapon are closed to impossible to take down DIS user; even if the DIS user are weak/slow in reflexes.

This new Cabrese are now no longer user-friendly for player who lag even a tid-bit or have moderate aiming skills. It only work great for those who have extremely smooth connection and good/experiences with aiming. If you lack either 1 of it, you could screw up easily when using Cabrese.

This is online games that was play globally, there would be surely some of us that would lag during our gameplay. By making this weapon have 0 tolerances to lag and 0 tolerances to missing, it makes the weapon pretty much obsolete.

Back at old times, I could still see some player using Cabrese whether in low level or high level match. Right now I could't even seen 1 high level player using Cabrese and neither there is any low level player who used it; even if there do a low level player used it; there is only 1 or 2 of it.

Quote | GtD posted on Dec 23 2011 10:49 AM UTC

Does anyone even use the cabrese? I remember never seeing any Cabrese after the moat even pre-Gang War but now since they've boosted the damage ive seen alot more cabrese users.

Yeah previously I could still see some Cabrese user even back when we still have 1 server. Right now I could't even see a single Cabrese user at Exeter, neither does other server like Euricho and Cabrese. 

Still, I rarely spectate other player at other server; so I really could't confirm if there is a significant usage of Cabrese at other server.

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I actually like this change and using it on an alt char. Its true its not very good against anyone with a DIS, but not all weapons needs to be div1 competetive and previous version of the cabrese was not either.

There is also fun factor in public games and i think the cabrese is good for it. When i used previous version, i always asked myself why i am not using a sg1 instead, playstyle was same, but the cabrese was weaker now it feel differently altough it is still way worse then the sg1.

Anyway i feel possibilty to use a DIS with medkits and an enhanced recovery is more problem then whatever version of the cabrese exist atm. DIS should serve to use shortlived boosts like bess or raze effectively, not to make char godlike against chars equiped with different skills.
 

Quote | tikulti posted on Dec 23 2011 12:26 PM UTC

I actually like this change and using it on an alt char. Its true its not very good against anyone with a DIS, but not all weapons needs to be div1 competetive and previous version of the cabrese was not either.

There is also fun factor in public games and i think the cabrese is good for it. When i used previous version, i always asked myself why i am not using a sg1 instead, playstyle was same, but the cabrese was weaker now it feel differently altough it is still way worse then the sg1.

Anyway i feel possibilty to use a DIS with medkits and an enhanced recovery is more problem then whatever version of the cabrese exist atm. DIS should serve to use shortlived boosts like bess or raze effectively, not to make char godlike against chars equiped with different skills.
 

Even without DIS it is still difficult to take them down provided they have high defense and fast enough to dodge at least a single bullet. The old Cabrese was pretty much fairer against any high level, but this new version are not.

We know in reality that not all shot are going to be register mainly cause this is online game where lag are surely to occur even once.

Every weapon should be competitive regardless which level they are.

Ok, so.

Back on BETA Server the Cabrese had 50 dmg and not 45 (so it had +5 dmg more than it has now).

It was really fun to use, I combined with Frenzy or Amplifex ofc.

The problem is, that since the Bulldog nerf there is nearly no oneshot-dead anymore if u have at least some resist.

The only ones I still can oneshot with Shotties are Class-Users or Glass-Cannons.

But in tour, one-shot is not possible anymore even with Exeter+Frenzy (maybe with more dmg boost and lvl 50 stuff all equiped) on most targets even without Bess.

Regarding that, the DIS got even more important now because without the threat of beeing one-shot all the time by Hargan Bulldog it is even better now than before without even getting buffed or sth.

I suggest the following:

Suggestion for Cabrese Fucilere:

Increase dmg OR ROF.

Suggestion for DIS:

I know this is hard but I will make a thread for it too:

Make it only useable with 8 second duration boosts.

All other stuff, including instand medkits and so on are not consumeable with DIS anymore.

This would really make it a specialized ability and not so wide spread and common like atm.

Quote | DrSeptimus posted on Dec 23 2011 05:00 AM UTC

We all know how hard it was to used Cabrese AR, this GW update have increase the damage of the Cabrese while lowered it's ROF.

As much as it's seems to be great to have the Cabrese damage increase by about 8-12 damage, the ROF was greatly reduces to the extend where it is extremely hard to be utilize.

In a high level match where most player owns a DIS ability, this AR was almost impossible to take them down if you miss even a single shot.

Yeah!! The damage is great enough to take down a full health enemy with 3 shot if using the right boost and skills combination, but the slow ROF allowed DIS user to pop medkit for a quick counter-attack if you miss a single shot. In other word, it have 0 tolerances to missing.

Probably most of you would say "Click faster" or "Aim better", but take into consideration that this is online games and lag are bound to happen. When lag occur, no matter how beautiful your shot is; your shot could still miss cause the shot goes unregistered.

Right now the Cabrese work moderately in low/mid level match, but it is almost impossible to be used at high level match. Just look at the number of Cabrese user at high level match, I don't even see anybody using Cabrese at all.

Back at the old stats, you can still pretty much see 1 or even 2 Cabrese user.

I totally agree DrSept, The cabrese is almost useless due to 'unregistered shots'. The best relief to this issue is a high rate of fire, as it makes up for it. Making the cabrese slower only makes hitting people even harder, so the higher damage is pretty meaningless.

Quote | sandnix posted on Dec 23 2011 01:05 PM UTC

Ok, so.

Back on BETA Server the Cabrese had 50 dmg and not 45 (so it had +5 dmg more than it has now).

It was really fun to use, I combined with Frenzy or Amplifex ofc.

The problem is, that since the Bulldog nerf there is nearly no oneshot-dead anymore if u have at least some resist.

The only ones I still can oneshot with Shotties are Class-Users or Glass-Cannons.

But in tour, one-shot is not possible anymore even with Exeter+Frenzy (maybe with more dmg boost and lvl 50 stuff all equiped) on most targets even without Bess.

Regarding that, the DIS got even more important now because without the threat of beeing one-shot all the time by Hargan Bulldog it is even better now than before without even getting buffed or sth.

I suggest the following:

Suggestion for Cabrese Fucilere:

Increase dmg OR ROF.

Suggestion for DIS:

I know this is hard but I will make a thread for it too:

Make it only useable with 8 second duration boosts.

All other stuff, including instand medkits and so on are not consumeable with DIS anymore.

This would really make it a specialized ability and not so wide spread and common like atm.

 

The old version Cabrese is fine and competitive enough against DIS, they should revert it back to original form instead of this current one where it have 0 tolerances to miss shot.

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But in tour, one-shot is not possible anymore even with Exeter+Frenzy (maybe with more dmg boost and lvl 50 stuff all equiped) on most targets even without Bess.

1 shot kill is still possible at tourney. The combination of certain boost (Not going to mention it's name) and the usage of any shotgun can produces that. 

In Bleedout Cabrese ROF was 550 which means over 9 shots per second. For most players it wasn't achievable without using auto-click mouse which is considered as cheating. We don't want to incite our players to use macros and we won't bring old Cabrese ROF back.

Btw, why do you want that old Cabrese back?