Increase CD of Bess to 30 or even 45 seconds.

There are other buffs that are far weaker (like the medkits mentioned in my other thread) but have a significantly longer Cooldown.

Nerfing Bess like this would make it bearable... not much, but at least enough to quit flaming for now :) 

Just nerf bess.

Running out of options for Bess - Such a frequent topic, never positive, getting to the point where they should just remove it and move on?

I mean, would be an interesting change to the game, Bess is used in all game modes, often the build that does the job. No Bess, different builds, different approach, different game! =)

Quote | Phukka posted on Feb 01 2012 11:52 AM UTC

 

Running out of options for Bess - Such a frequent topic, never positive, getting to the point where they should just remove it and move on?

I mean, would be an interesting change to the game, Bess is used in all game modes, often the build that does the job. No Bess, different builds, different approach, different game! =)

The main issue people have with bess is it's one of the only boosts that require a skill to decently counter it. The issue is in the math, 80% resist is better than +80% weapon damage, which i dont think is een possible, so a boost isn't a good counter for bess, you need corrosive. 

Quote | rich1051414 posted on Jan 31 2012 11:57 PM UTC

Quote | Phukka posted on Feb 01 2012 11:52 AM UTC

 

Running out of options for Bess - Such a frequent topic, never positive, getting to the point where they should just remove it and move on?

I mean, would be an interesting change to the game, Bess is used in all game modes, often the build that does the job. No Bess, different builds, different approach, different game! =)

The main issue people have with bess is it's one of the only boosts that require a skill to decently counter it. The issue is in the math, 80% resist is better than +80% weapon damage, which i dont think is een possible, so a boost isn't a good counter for bess, you need corrosive. 

 

Quote | JulianSwayze posted on Feb 01 2012 10:10 AM UTC

Quote | rich1051414 posted on Jan 31 2012 11:57 PM UTC

Quote | Phukka posted on Feb 01 2012 11:52 AM UTC

 

Running out of options for Bess - Such a frequent topic, never positive, getting to the point where they should just remove it and move on?

I mean, would be an interesting change to the game, Bess is used in all game modes, often the build that does the job. No Bess, different builds, different approach, different game! =)

The main issue people have with bess is it's one of the only boosts that require a skill to decently counter it. The issue is in the math, 80% resist is better than +80% weapon damage, which i dont think is een possible, so a boost isn't a good counter for bess, you need corrosive. 

 

But it is worth taking CR all the time? And even if it is, wouldn't that imply that there is a problem?

That is the point i was making. Needing to buy and profile up a skill to counter a boost is a bit silly for most people. 

If you carry corrosive all the time, you are gimped vs everyone but bess users(since you are down 1 skill), and if you don't, they walk all over you, so it's a lose lose battle, unless you spend major money setting yourself up.

Edit: When it gets really silly is when it's combined with desens, but thats a different topic all together :P

Last Edited on: Feb 01 2012 08:16 AM UTC (112 Days ago)

Bess is kinda OK, other whay you wont steel a dime from turret/psp/mine guarded vault. I see worst isssue with riot/shot games full of rednecks, planting mines on every entrance and waiting behind the corner. THATS annoying, making gameplay pain in the [filtered] while nebws who cant aim feel like they masters of CC. Instakill mines are OP!

Only 1 thing must be done with bess- its must be electric shield incompatible( as well as PSP rounds). Thats it.

Last Edited on: Feb 01 2012 10:24 AM UTC (112 Days ago)

Quote | screwer posted on Feb 01 2012 02:17 PM UTC

Bess is kinda OK, other whay you wont steel a dime from turret/psp/mine guarded vault. I see worst isssue with riot/shot games full of rednecks, planting mines on every entrance and waiting behind the corner. THATS annoying, making gameplay pain in the [filtered] while nebws who cant aim feel like they masters of CC. Instakill mines are OP!

If they make Bess require a skill slot, it would be ALOT different. The main threat with bess is DIS, ER, and Desens, take away desens and it is much more balanced in my book, with no ER it is not spammable, and with no DIS is too hard to use since it's a 8 second boost.

Honestly, with how powerful 80% resist is, the fact you can only take a neglegable amount of weapon damage reduction at the same time is nuts. Damage boosts are worthless compared to high defense boosts, i've done the math before, so i won't again, but think about this:

50% resist means damage is cut in half, in order to equal 50% resist, you need +100% weapon damage. For 75% resist, you take 1/4 damage, so you need +300% weapon damage to equal that, and for 80% resist, you take 1/5 damage, so you need +400% weapon damage to equal that.

With boosts 80% resist is easy, but try to get +400% weapon damage ;)

Last Edited on: Feb 01 2012 10:41 AM UTC (112 Days ago)

Quote | rich1051414 posted on Feb 01 2012 11:23 AM UTC

Quote | screwer posted on Feb 01 2012 02:17 PM UTC

Bess is kinda OK, other whay you wont steel a dime from turret/psp/mine guarded vault. I see worst isssue with riot/shot games full of rednecks, planting mines on every entrance and waiting behind the corner. THATS annoying, making gameplay pain in the [filtered] while nebws who cant aim feel like they masters of CC. Instakill mines are OP!

If they make Bess require a skill slot, it would be ALOT different. The main threat with bess is DIS, ER, and Desens, take away desens and it is much more balanced in my book, with no ER it is not spammable, and with no DIS is too hard to use since it's a 8 second boost.

That would just make bess useles. No ES + Aura. Auras for powerup users where used in games like quake2  for ages, so you KNOW who is using what BEFORE they kill you.

Quote | JulianSwayze posted on Jan 31 2012 05:09 PM UTC

Just nerf bess.

Not this argument again. Guys listen, BESS is fine. There are 3 great counters to it:

- Corrosion Grenade/Rounds
- Electric shield
- Shock Grenade

You hit them with Corrosive, all resistance is gone. 0% left. You use electric shield, they can't knife you down. If they try and do it, they get stunned and you can finish him off. Same goes for shock grenade. Shock and execute at point blank range. Simple!

So for the last time: BESS-IS-FINE ... learn how to counter it properly and you'll be fine too ;)

Nick