Hi,

after I realized that nothing will change about the ridiculous knife mechanics in this game (who brings a knife to a gunfight?) , I would at least suggest to remove the Knife Kill Bonus Score.

Knife Kill: +11

Normal Kill: +5

Since the knifing is quite common even in lower levels and is getting pretty much the standard in high level games, I see no reason why there should be a special reward for a knife kill.

 Cos its hard to pull off? Your putting yourself out there in the line of fire instead of firing from cover to take a risk for a kill. Even if you do kill him your most likely in the middle of a fire fight now so whats wrong with the bonus?

Defensive Boosts and especially Bess still do their job there pretty good. Also many maps and situations support short range fights and also knifing.

Especially in public games, where it is not so likely to have corrosive rounds (even more after the introduction of the classes) it is nearly impossible to counter the usual Bess/Electric Shield lamers that just jump arround like they want to.

OK! Let them do that. But dont make their kills be worth than the others. Also a weapon which provides 160 dmg that can only be countered by a single skill (no clothes bonus ever is enough and HP bonus not an option for many builds) should not get such a score bonus.

Ah yes, I forgot. 3rd person round the corner look - knife jumping is so skilled :) 

EDIT:

Regarding the facts, you could also make Pistol kills beeing worth +15 score and LMG kills only +3 or sth.

Maybe that would change the chosen weapons of the power-scorers.

Last Edited on: Dec 09 2011 02:01 PM UTC (166 Days ago)

I have to agree with GtD on this one, it takes more to get a knife kill and should give the bonus.

Besides, if it is so easy to do, why don't you try the same build?

 Jump knife is no longer a problem, no one uses knife as a primary weapon like they did a year ago. The hitbox was reduced and the knife animation adjusted (afaik), its a lot easier to avoid jump knife and its therefore a lot harder to hit the opponent with it.

Bess got balanced (kudos to Vogster for balancing it correctly, it was a difficult boost to balance and retain its effectiveness) around a year ago, you can't shoot any weapon, including splash. There are several counters to Bess, Shock, CS, Fire and ES so you can't be knifed. Those that run Bess and use it well have a unique skill, its an 8 second boost, in that time you need to remove the opponents, generally defenders and rob the safe or take the flag, you'll be running away while in cooldown and taking damage.

As for points, it doesn't exactly mean anything, apart from in RIOT to a small degree. I intend to knife opponents more to get the extra points, but its a lot more risky, I lose a few kills &/or die. RIOT is mainly won by kill combinations more than anything though, getting double, triple, multi kills give you a useful boost, if you get higher it puts you ahead by a good margin, do that a few times and =)

Knife is fine, so is the points awarded for a knife kill.

Quote | Phukka posted on Dec 09 2011 02:22 PM UTC

RIOT is mainly won by kill combinations more than anything though, getting double, triple, multi kills give you a useful boost, if you get higher it puts you ahead by a good margin, do that a few times and =)

Knife is fine, so is the points awarded for a knife kill.

Exactly, smart bast@rd :D

Last Edited on: Dec 09 2011 02:27 PM UTC (166 Days ago)

I do not agree with Phukk.

Jump knife is just ridiculous. Range and animation is a mess, especially because of lag induced issues, where u get hit while the enemy is still too far away or you dont get hit, but the enemy jumped right on you.

Maybe it is also bugged dont know. Its just that, avoiding knife jump is possible, but also still luck.

And there are many that use knife primarily. Often in Riot matches, yes, and that is the main issue I want to discuss here, but also in other game times on smaller maps.

Also I do not agree that Bess is balanced now.

A real balanced Bess would reduce the Knife damage also, not only Non-splash and splash damage.

Also the combination with DIS and a Med Kit makes Bess still the most powerfull combo in game. Desensitzation and Electric shield make the perfect tank. And since the shotties are nerfed you really NEED Frenzy and a good hit to stop them in time, even with Corrosive Rounds.

Fire is no counter, since it kills, but not fast enough and the real Bessers counter Fire with their DIS/Medkit.

Shock is fine, but u cannot kill the Bess-User easier now because he still has the high resist and knife resist. And the stun duration is too short for that anyway (and yes, that is good!).

Electric shield is pretty common these days. nearly everyone has it or uses a class with ES. That is because the Bess-Users spam on the maps like flies.

I just think, that wether to nerf the knife or lower the score, because I dont think it is a fair bonus. The Humiliation of the enemy after knife killing should be enough.  

Quote | sandnix posted on Dec 09 2011 06:38 AM UTC

I do not agree with Phukk.

Jump knife is just ridiculous. Range and animation is a mess, especially because of lag induced issues, where u get hit while the enemy is still too far away or you dont get hit, but the enemy jumped right on you.

Maybe it is also bugged dont know. Its just that, avoiding knife jump is possible, but also still luck.

And there are many that use knife primarily. Often in Riot matches, yes, and that is the main issue I want to discuss here, but also in other game times on smaller maps.

Also I do not agree that Bess is balanced now.

A real balanced Bess would reduce the Knife damage also, not only Non-splash and splash damage.

Also the combination with DIS and a Med Kit makes Bess still the most powerfull combo in game. Desensitzation and Electric shield make the perfect tank. And since the shotties are nerfed you really NEED Frenzy and a good hit to stop them in time, even with Corrosive Rounds.

Fire is no counter, since it kills, but not fast enough and the real Bessers counter Fire with their DIS/Medkit.

Shock is fine, but u cannot kill the Bess-User easier now because he still has the high resist and knife resist. And the stun duration is too short for that anyway (and yes, that is good!).

Electric shield is pretty common these days. nearly everyone has it or uses a class with ES. That is because the Bess-Users spam on the maps like flies.

I just think, that wether to nerf the knife or lower the score, because I dont think it is a fair bonus. The Humiliation of the enemy after knife killing should be enough.  

 

Wow, you should have been here before jumpknife was balanced.  I have been playing and lately have not noticed games with many jumpknifers.  Some of the same players do it, but not any unsual spike.  I remember in the past way more jumpknifers, back before it was nerfed.

Doing much of anything else with jumpknife will render it useless, and you don't want to see that either.  It sounds like you need to learn how to defend yourself against knifers, that is a much better option than having the entire game changed around just your needs.

 Knife score work fine. 

Is just the lag that make it look abnormal.

I dont care for the past at all. I see the situation as it is now.

I played other Shooters with Melee type of weapons and it was all more balanced. I mean, just think of it. You shoot a whole magazine into someone with bess and he laughs at you. Then you take your knife and jump him dead. I really like CrimeCraft, but when knife comes into play, I just stare on the screen and sigh.

And yes, I use the knife myself, because it is so [filtered] necessary. But I do not enjoy it or like it because I think it is a weak and unnecessary part of the game with the power it has.

Also: I never said here to nerf the knife (but would still appreciate a nerf of the jump knife attackt) but to remove the score points bonus from it.

And as defending is just stupid rolling and knifing back even more stupid, this cant be a solution. Even in Counterstrike the Knife fight had more style.

I would even support a melee weapon slot if just those ridiculous one hit dead mechanics would be removed.

But well, I think the ppl posting here all like their Bess Feeling of 300-Awesomeness...